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Sunday, September 20, 2015

What is "meat"

Dear Friend, 
I was not satisfied with the answer I gave you for either you or myself concerning the passage of Scripture in I Timothy.
I decided to study it out. In studying scripture these are the ground rules I follow.

  1. Scripture interprets Scripture
  2. If my interpretation does not line up with the rest of scripture then my interpretation is wrong and needs to change to line up with the rest of the Word of God.
At first glance this passage would seem to say that you can eat any meat as long as you ask God's blessing over it and receive it with thanksgiving.

If I am following the rules for interpretation I know this interpretation must be wrong as it does not line up with the rest of what I read in the scriptures. So, then I need to find out where the problem lies so that I am able to interpret according to Scripture.

I know that through out time the meaning of words change. Take the word “gay” for example. It used to mean “happy or joyous” today it has a completely different meaning. If you go back to the 1611 (when the King James Version was written) meat also had a different meaning. I will get to that. First I want to go back to the original.

I went back to the Greek. Here is a translation from the Greek text.
This comes from a Greek professor at Moody Bible Institute. Wuest.
I Tim 3: 14- 4: 5

These things to you I am writing, hoping to come to you quickly, but if I delay, in order that you may know how it is necessary in the nature of the case for men to be conducting themselves in God's house which is of such a nature as to be the living God's assembly, a pillar and support of the truth. And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness; who (Messiah Yahshua v. 13) vindicated in the sphere of spirit (as to His diety) seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
But the Spirit says expressly that in the last strategic epochal periods of time some will depart from the faith. Giving head to spirits that lead one into error.
And the teaching of demons
doing this through the hypocrisy of liars
branded in their own conscious.
Forbidding to marry
commanding abstinence from foods
which things God created for those to receive
with thanksgiving who are believers
and who have a precise and
experiential knowledge of the truth
because every created thing of God
is good and not even one thing is to be
rejected if it is received with thankgiving
for it is consecrated
through God's Word and through prayer.

  1. 6-8 Constantly reminding the brethren of these things, you will be a good servant of Messiah Yahshua, continually nourishing yourself by means of the words of the faith and of the good teaching which you have closely followed.

Now I turn to e-sword. A computer program which contains many versions and Bible helps, dictionaries and study tools. (free by the way).

This is the KJV with strongs numbers.

1Ti 3:14 These thingsG5023 writeG1125 I unto thee,G4671 hopingG1679 to comeG2064 untoG4314 theeG4571 shortly:G5032
1Ti 3:15 ButG1161 ifG1437 I tarry long,G1019 thatG2443 thou mayest knowG1492 howG4459 thou
oughtestG1163 to behave thyselfG390 inG1722 the houseG3624 of God,G2316 whichG3748 isG2076 the churchG1577 of the livingG2198 God,G2316 the pillarG4769 andG2532 groundG1477 of theG3588 truth.G225
1Ti 3:16 AndG2532 without controversyG3672 greatG3173 isG2076 theG3588 mysteryG3466 of godliness:G2150 GodG2316 was manifestG5319 inG1722 the flesh,G4561 justifiedG1344 inG1722 the Spirit,G4151 seenG3700 of angels,G32 preachedG2784 untoG1722 the Gentiles,G1484 believed onG4100 inG1722 the world,G2889 received upG353 intoG1722 glory.G1391
1Ti 4:1 NowG1161 theG3588 SpiritG4151 speakethG3004 expressly,G4490 thatG3754 inG1722 the latterG5306 timesG2540 someG5100 shall departG868 from theG3588 faith,G4102 giving heedG4337 to seducingG4108 spirits,G4151 andG2532 doctrinesG1319 of devils;G1140
1Ti 4:2 Speaking liesG5573 inG1722 hypocrisy;G5272 having theirG2398 conscienceG4893 seared with a hot iron;G2743
1Ti 4:3 ForbiddingG2967 to marry,G1060 and commanding to abstainG567 from meats,G1033 whichG3739 GodG2316 hath createdG2936 to be receivedG1519 G3336 withG3326 thanksgivingG2169 of them which believeG4103 andG2532 knowG1921 theG3588 truth.G225
1Ti 4:4 ForG3754 everyG3956 creatureG2938 of GodG2316 is good,G2570 andG2532 nothingG3762 to be refused,G579 if it be receivedG2983 withG3326 thanksgiving:G2169
1Ti 4:5 ForG1063 it is sanctifiedG37 byG1223 the wordG3056 of GodG2316 andG2532 prayer.G1783

This is the Scriptures, which uses the names of God rather than the titles.

1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit distinctly says that in latter times some shall fall away from the belief, paying attention to misleading spirits, and teachings of demons,
1Ti 4:2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having been branded on their own conscience,
1Ti 4:3 forbidding to marry, saying to abstain from foods which Elohim created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 Because every creature of Elohim is good, and none is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
1Ti 4:5 for it is set apart by the Word of Elohim and prayer.

The word we are looking at is Meat. Strongs number 1033.
the Greek is this

Thayer Definition:
1) that which is eaten, food
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G977
Citing in TDNT: 1:642, 111

<1 font="">broma>
"food" (akin to bibrosko, "to eat," Joh_6:13), solid food in contrast to milk, is translated "food" in Mat_14:15, RV (AV, "victuals"); "meats," Mar_7:19; 1Co_6:13 (twice); 1Ti_4:3; Heb_9:10; Heb_13:9; "meat," Joh_4:34; Rom_14:15 (twice), Rom_14:20; 1Co_3:2; 1Co_8:8, 1Co_8:13; 1Co_10:3; "food," RV, for AV, "meat," Luk_3:11; Luk_9:13.

<2 font="">brosis>
akin to No. 1, denotes (a) "the act of eating," 1Co_8:4 (see EAT); (b) "food," translated "meat" in Joh_4:32 (for Joh_4:34, see No. 1); Joh_6:27 (twice, the second time metaphorically, of spiritual food); Joh_6:55, RV, marg., "(true) meat;" Rom_14:17, AV, "meat," RV, "eating;" Col_2:16; in Heb_12:16, RV, "mess of meat," AV, "morsel of meat;" in 2Co_9:10, "food;" in Mat_6:19-20, "rust." See EAT, EATING, B.

<3 font="">brosimos>
"eatable," Luk_24:41, AV, "any meat" (RV, "anything to eat"). See EAT, C.

<4 font="">trophe>
"nourishment, food," is translated "meat" in the AV (RV "food") except in two instances. See FOOD, No. 1.

<5 font="">phago>
"to eat," is used as a noun, in the infinitive mood, and translated "meat" in Mat_25:35, Mat_25:42 (lit., "to eat"); in Luk_8:55 the RV translates it literally, "to eat" (AV, "meat"). See EAT, No. 2.

<6 font="">trapeza>
"a table" (Eng., "trapeze"), is used, by metonymy, of "the food on the table," in Act_16:34 (RV, marg., "a table") and translated "meat;" cp. "table" in Rom_11:9; 1Co_10:21. See TABLE.

Notes: (1) For prosphagion, Joh_21:5, AV, "any meat," see EAT, B, No. 2. (2) In Luk_12:42, sitometrion denotes "a measured portion of food" (sitos, "food," metrios, "within measure"). (3) In Mat_15:37; Mar_8:8, the AV translates the plural of klasma, "a broken piece" (from klao, "to break"), "broken meat" (RV, "broken pieces"). (4) In Joh_12:2, RV, anakeimai, "to recline at table," is translated "sat at meat" (AV, "sat at the table"); in Mar_6:26, RV, according to the best mss., "sat at meat," some have sunanakeimai (AV, "sat with him"); in Mar_6:22, RV, sunanakeimai, "to recline at table together," is translated "that sat at meat with him." (5) In Act_15:29, AV, the neuter plural of eidolothutos, "sacrificed to idols," is translated "meats offered to idols" (RV, "things ...," as elsewhere in the AV). See IDOLS (offered to). (6) For kataklino, "to sit down to (recline at) meat," see SIT, No. 7.

MEAT, n.

1. Food in general; any thing eaten for nourishment, either by man or beast.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb--to you it shall be for meat. Gen 1.

Websters 1828 dictionary
Meat. It does not appear that the word "meat" is used in any one instance, in the Authorized Version of either the Old or New Testament, in the sense which it now almost exclusively bears of animal food. The latter is denoted uniformly by "flesh." The word "meat," when our English version was made, meant food in general; or if any particular kind was designated, it referred to meal, flour or grain. The only real and inconvenient ambiguity caused by the change which has taken place in the meaning of the word is in the case of the "Meat [Meal] Offering." See Meat Offering.

But. In v. 1 shows a contrast between the confession of faith in 3:16 and the false doctrines found in 4:2-3.

Latter: husteros
that which comes after:
after Paul's writing: No specific time period is given. Could suggest it is already at work.

Times. Kairos: as opposed to chronos denotes epochs of time not a specific day or hour.

Depart from the faith: body of doctrine which sets the believers apart from the rest of the world around them.

Doctrines. Teachings, instructions

depart from faith through hypocrisy of false teachers. (those in authority positions not teaching the totality of the scriptures.)
Branded in their conscious. They prohibit
eating of meats
Meats: broma as seen above is “food”
The Essenes and also the Roman Catholic church.
Repudiated marriage and
Encouraged the abstinance of eating food as a sign of holiness and denial of self.
Meat: KJV 1611 is
food of any kind or food in general.
To be received. Matalambono
To be made a partaker
these were created so those who believe might participate in them.

But the Spirit says expressly that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits that
lead one into error.
And to teachings of demons,
doing this through the hypocrisy of liars.
Branded in their own conscience
forbidding to
and command
abstinence from

which things (marriage and food) God created for participation with thanksgiving
for those who are believers and who have a precise and experiential knowledge of the truth.

  1. 4, 5
creature ktisma created thing
offer thanks setting apart for God

see also Rom. 14:14. Context speaks of food being offered to idols.

So if meat means food of any kind does the scripture define what food is?

See Gen 1:29
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Lev. 11:

Deut 14 Food not listed as edible is an abomination.

I Cor 10: 31-33 Co 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
1Co 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
1Co 10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
1Co 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit,

this speaks of food that has been offered to idols.

Final thoughts:

I Tim 4: lines up with the rest of Scripture.
It is not talking about any kind of meat. It is referring to food of any kind. We then determine just what God calls food. If there remains any question the guiding principle as found in I Cor 10: is that if it offends another (Jew or Gentile) I do not partake of that.

That being said I believe scripture is clear as to what God considers as food we are to eat.

Also consider what Noah took on the ark. 2 of every kind of animal (pair) and 7 pair of every kind of clean animal. There was a distinction before the law was given on Sinai.

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